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 <description>&lt;p&gt;This comment was ported over from the old comments thread for this essay. It was originally posted by Daniel Read 04/19/2004 03:27 PM EST:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I found a nice quote in Susan Lammer&#039;s 1986 book, Programmers At Work. The quote is by John Page, best known for the PFS family of database programs in the 80&#039;s. Lammers asks Page, &quot;What about the programmers who didn&#039;t have a hand in the design; how did you get them to work on a project?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Page responds,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&quot;They may be disappointed. But you tell them at the beginning they must accept the absence of design input as a condition of working on the project. Fortunately, you find programmers who are fairly new to the game and want to be apprenticed to a good, high-level designer. It gives them a way into the industry and a path to follow to meet their own goal of designing something themselves.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:29:02 -0800</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Daniel Read</dc:creator>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;This an open comments thread for the &lt;i&gt;developer.* Magazine&lt;/i&gt; article &quot;Software Design and Programmers,&quot; by Daniel Read. If you haven&#039;t already, you &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.developerdotstar.com/mag/articles/read_designprog.html&quot;&gt;can read it here&lt;/a&gt;, then add your comments below.&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:24:22 -0800</pubDate>
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